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		<title>Comment on Should nonprofit news operations pay development officers on commission? by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More from Matt: compensation levels aren&#039;t closely tied to performance quality above a basic level.

Doesn&#039;t directly speak to commission pay, which I think of as a system for prioritizing tasks rather than paying for performance, but definitely relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More from Matt: compensation levels aren&#8217;t closely tied to performance quality above a basic level.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t directly speak to commission pay, which I think of as a system for prioritizing tasks rather than paying for performance, but definitely relevant.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Should nonprofit news operations pay development officers on commission? by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, here&#039;s the structure I currently use with our contractor: he gets $2 for every subscription he moves in our target zones and another $5 for every paid subscription he moves anywhere.

Meanwhile, he&#039;s going door-to-door building a database of possible advertisers and contacts. These are permanently flagged as leads that came from him, and he gets 10% of their revenue indefinitely.

For deals he handles himself all the way to closing (we haven&#039;t had any of these yet) he&#039;ll get 30% of new contracts and 20% of renewals.

No base salary. It&#039;s less than 10 hours a week for him, often less than 5.

That&#039;s just how we&#039;re doing it at the moment! Also he&#039;s a good guy who believes in the project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, here&#8217;s the structure I currently use with our contractor: he gets $2 for every subscription he moves in our target zones and another $5 for every paid subscription he moves anywhere.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, he&#8217;s going door-to-door building a database of possible advertisers and contacts. These are permanently flagged as leads that came from him, and he gets 10% of their revenue indefinitely.</p>
<p>For deals he handles himself all the way to closing (we haven&#8217;t had any of these yet) he&#8217;ll get 30% of new contracts and 20% of renewals.</p>
<p>No base salary. It&#8217;s less than 10 hours a week for him, often less than 5.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just how we&#8217;re doing it at the moment! Also he&#8217;s a good guy who believes in the project.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should nonprofit news operations pay development officers on commission? by Barry Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m seriously considering this approach for Oregon ArtsWatch, though the commission v. salary issue is difficult to figure out. For a lot of places (I&#039;m thinking of alt.weeklies I&#039;ve worked for or know about), it&#039;s a little of both &gt; base + commission. Running a sales &quot;force&quot; (even if it&#039;s just one person!) isn&#039;t easy, though, especially for micro-startups, which is why I&#039;m still just &quot;considering.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m seriously considering this approach for Oregon ArtsWatch, though the commission v. salary issue is difficult to figure out. For a lot of places (I&#8217;m thinking of alt.weeklies I&#8217;ve worked for or know about), it&#8217;s a little of both &gt; base + commission. Running a sales &#8220;force&#8221; (even if it&#8217;s just one person!) isn&#8217;t easy, though, especially for micro-startups, which is why I&#8217;m still just &#8220;considering.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should nonprofit news operations pay development officers on commission? by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Toni! Of course, just because commissions are a traditional compensation structure doesn&#039;t make them dumb.

Kickstarter also seems like a great fundraising platform with a whole separate set of ethical questions, but definitely something that all sorts of organizations should be figuring out how to use without compromising their product.

Super-interesting earned-income ideas, too.

Also, my friend Matt added this on Facebook:

&quot;Here&#039;s something for you: humans *do* respond to incentives, but monetary incentives are vastly less powerful and motivating (for most people) than the behavioral economics literature suggests.

&quot;People that are motivated primarily by money probably aren&#039;t the best people for your field, if your field isn&#039;t principally about the money (e.g. banking).

&quot;It turns out many people want to cooperate, and many more respond better to a belief that they are doing meaningful work... like fundraising for a local nonprofit. Yochai Benkler has a very nice summary of the newer, empirically sound, findings here: http://www.amazon.com/Penguin-Leviathan-Cooperation-Triumphs-Self-Interest/dp/0385525761 &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Toni! Of course, just because commissions are a traditional compensation structure doesn&#8217;t make them dumb.</p>
<p>Kickstarter also seems like a great fundraising platform with a whole separate set of ethical questions, but definitely something that all sorts of organizations should be figuring out how to use without compromising their product.</p>
<p>Super-interesting earned-income ideas, too.</p>
<p>Also, my friend Matt added this on Facebook:</p>
<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s something for you: humans *do* respond to incentives, but monetary incentives are vastly less powerful and motivating (for most people) than the behavioral economics literature suggests.</p>
<p>&#8220;People that are motivated primarily by money probably aren&#8217;t the best people for your field, if your field isn&#8217;t principally about the money (e.g. banking).</p>
<p>&#8220;It turns out many people want to cooperate, and many more respond better to a belief that they are doing meaningful work&#8230; like fundraising for a local nonprofit. Yochai Benkler has a very nice summary of the newer, empirically sound, findings here: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Penguin-Leviathan-Cooperation-Triumphs-Self-Interest/dp/0385525761" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Penguin-Leviathan-Cooperation-Triumphs-Self-Interest/dp/0385525761</a> &#8220;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should nonprofit news operations pay development officers on commission? by Toni Tabora-Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni Tabora-Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to start this discussion with you, Michael!

I&#039;m very interested in innovative thinking and models for funding journalism and new media enterprises. You&#039;re right that non-profits general frown upon commission based &quot;sales&quot; as fundraising. I think that even applying commissions to fundraising is still using a very traditional sales model for raising funds.

A couple of ideas I&#039;ve been intrigued by and pondering...

- Kickstarter and the like. I love the idea of this type of micro-funding that&#039;s based on personal connections, personal interests and community connections. Also, the &quot;fundraisers&quot; (the content creators) have to come up with creative incentives and recognition for the backers.  I think it&#039;s a great form of engagement and good practice for &quot;selling&quot; in a way that&#039;s appropriate to the content.

- Earned income by providing related service or appropriate products. Again good practice for creative selling related specifically to the  content and expertise you are providing. Con: Can be a lot of work that is not direct content creation. Pro: can be very mission-oriented (summer camps, consulting services, podcast development etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to start this discussion with you, Michael!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very interested in innovative thinking and models for funding journalism and new media enterprises. You&#8217;re right that non-profits general frown upon commission based &#8220;sales&#8221; as fundraising. I think that even applying commissions to fundraising is still using a very traditional sales model for raising funds.</p>
<p>A couple of ideas I&#8217;ve been intrigued by and pondering&#8230;</p>
<p>- Kickstarter and the like. I love the idea of this type of micro-funding that&#8217;s based on personal connections, personal interests and community connections. Also, the &#8220;fundraisers&#8221; (the content creators) have to come up with creative incentives and recognition for the backers.  I think it&#8217;s a great form of engagement and good practice for &#8220;selling&#8221; in a way that&#8217;s appropriate to the content.</p>
<p>- Earned income by providing related service or appropriate products. Again good practice for creative selling related specifically to the  content and expertise you are providing. Con: Can be a lot of work that is not direct content creation. Pro: can be very mission-oriented (summer camps, consulting services, podcast development etc.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the top 12 best words to put in your headlines will unlock the secret to your future by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 01:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting question, Sally.

It seems to me that you&#039;re mistaking form for content. Maybe the title of a book or blog post isn&#039;t itself innovative. I don&#039;t see why that means the arguments it makes couldn&#039;t be.

To pick a ridiculous example, &quot;The Communist Manifesto&quot; is probably a more appropriate (and potentially more viral) title than &quot;The Top 10 Reasons The Modern Nation-State will Collapse by 1860.&quot; But I don&#039;t think the title alone makes its thought any less radical or innovative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting question, Sally.</p>
<p>It seems to me that you&#8217;re mistaking form for content. Maybe the title of a book or blog post isn&#8217;t itself innovative. I don&#8217;t see why that means the arguments it makes couldn&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>To pick a ridiculous example, &#8220;The Communist Manifesto&#8221; is probably a more appropriate (and potentially more viral) title than &#8220;The Top 10 Reasons The Modern Nation-State will Collapse by 1860.&#8221; But I don&#8217;t think the title alone makes its thought any less radical or innovative.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the top 12 best words to put in your headlines will unlock the secret to your future by sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know - I have coached and ghosted &quot;experts&quot; through writing books. And one of the devices for writing a book to formula is using the words above and words like them in the title. Writing to formula helps to reach  great numbers of seekers at a certain level, but what about those who are exploring the edges of an idea, the place where innovation really occurs? We&#039;re not forwarding knowledge when we do this, but maybe we&#039;ll make a buck? Is there a &quot;formula&quot; for working the edges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know &#8211; I have coached and ghosted &#8220;experts&#8221; through writing books. And one of the devices for writing a book to formula is using the words above and words like them in the title. Writing to formula helps to reach  great numbers of seekers at a certain level, but what about those who are exploring the edges of an idea, the place where innovation really occurs? We&#8217;re not forwarding knowledge when we do this, but maybe we&#8217;ll make a buck? Is there a &#8220;formula&#8221; for working the edges?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the top 12 best words to put in your headlines will unlock the secret to your future by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the top 12 best words to put in your headlines will unlock the secret to your future by Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How Your Pitbull Will Ultimately Guide You to the Best FREE Pot, I think you mean.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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